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Re: Blown motor

Yesterday 17:11
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I have worked on a lot of KZ650/750 fours.

I have blown both head and base gaskets on those engines. I have also seen pistons and cylinders destroyed, but have never seen any crank or rod related issues.

I have seen a sized KZ650 engine, but the crank and rods were just fine. The bottom end on those engines is pretty robust. Crank bearings is the last thing in the world you would check on these engines.

How did your guy come to suspect crank bearing issues? Was there no oil pressure?
Hence why I asked the questions I did ! the OP is saying bottom end but hasn't answered my questions ref symptoms and why he thinks this ? I suspect there is likely to be a lot of wasted money here if he isn't careful !! if there is a noise at the bottom it could also be primary drive etc ????
 
The primary chain has to be really shagged for it to make any noise or slap, basically needs to be at end of life to do that. Should go +100K miles (+160K KM) before that happens unless its been drag raced every single day of its existence.

The only thing I have seen that would make lower end noise is worn out clutch hub rubbers, that will make noise when running. Will actually clunk like a Harley when dropping it into first gear.

Crank bearings can wear but it would not make any noise. They could make noise if oil pressure was low (worn oil pump) and a bearing was wiped out (scored) by excessive heat generated by low oil pressure at high speed.
1978 KZ650B2 w 1197cc Z1 engine
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Re: Blown motor

Yesterday 02:59
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Something's not adding up for me. How can someone say an engine is shot without even opening it up? What are the symptoms? Does it smoke? Has it lost power? Is it noisy at idle? Does it knock when accelerating? If it knocks at idle, don't panic, it's normal. If it knocks when accelerating, you could suspect a connecting rod bearing or something like that. If it smokes, it's usually the valve stem seals or the piston rings. As I said, to break the bottom end of a 750, 650, 550, etc., engine, you have to run it without oil. What does this engine do or not do?
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Re: Blown motor

Yesterday 04:00
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Completely agree, these are the same questions I asked. It’s always “cost effective”” to take a measured approach rather than “dive in”

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Re: Blown motor

Yesterday 08:08
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Load bike on trailer
Put fuel in truck
take to a KZR member in Germany   ( Beg someone like  Sirrocco )  to check it out
Make informed decision  and repair
Wishing you the best 
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Re: Blown motor

Yesterday 09:49
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Load bike on trailer
Put fuel in truck
take to a KZR member in Germany   ( Beg someone like  Sirrocco )  to check it out
Make informed decision  and repair
Wishing you the best 
Dave
Dave Scirocco hasn't been around since May last year, a while back he was away for nearly a year due to health issues so hope he is ok. There is Callum but he is about 7 hours South of Berlin. If the OP's friends dad is indeed a "Master" mechanic (the Meister status in Germany is about as highly qualified as you can get in any job role and requires a lot of studying) he should be fine.

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