TOPIC:

Here's how, plus pics.

www.kzrider.com/forum/2-engine/592989-ex...asket-removal#624529

Good Fortune!

the ones on the vance and hines are on theirs permanently.Here is a picture of one of them.I suppose they are called shims.



The post with the pictures helped a lot, as did all the responses.I had the finned holders turned around wrong as well as the shims(half moons).I appreciate it guys, so much.When I rebuilt the topened of a inline 4 cylinder 1000 cc suzuki 1 time, all the engine work seemed straightforward, but when it came time to remount the exhausts, i left the shims out.I could never get them in.Of course the bike had exhausts leaks then.I dont want to make that same mistake.With your help I think I can get it right this time.

The split collar is supposed to have a flange on one end (that nestles inside a grove in the clamp).



It would generally be ill-advised to grind down the flange or to glue the split collars onto the header pipe.



Might be helpful to post a pic of the headers at hand.

Good Fortune!

Patton wrote:

The split collar is supposed to have a flange on one end (that nestles inside a grove in the clamp).

It would generally be ill-advised to grind down the flange or to glue the split collars onto the header pipe.

Might be helpful to post a pic of the headers at hand.

Good Fortune!

As you can see, what I have is exactly what you pictured here.So tomorrow I try again.

here is a split collar laying on the end of one of the headers.

crusierlover wrote: here is a split collar laying on the end of one of the headers.

Attachment KIMG0020.jpg not found

Is the "split collar" a separate removable item , or is the "split collar" permanently built in as an integral part of the exhaust header pipe?

Some designs don't use split collars:



Where split collars are used, there should be a flanged end on the exhaust header that goes into the exhaust port against the gasket.





Good Fortune!

Patton wrote:

crusierlover wrote: here is a split collar laying on the end of one of the headers.

Attachment KIMG0020.jpg not found

Is the "split collar" a separate removable item , or is the "split collar" permanently built in as an integral part of the exhaust header pipe?

Some designs don't use split collars:

Where split collars are used, there should be a flanged end on the exhaust header that goes into the exhaust port against the gasket.

Nosir, mine uses the split collars like you pictured here,they are not made onto the headers.Those are the pieces I am having trouble getting wedged in there with the holders in place and trying to get all the pieces as a unit to go over the studs.



Good Fortune!

crusierlover wrote: . . . mine uses the split collars . . .they are not made onto the headers.Those are the pieces I am having trouble getting wedged in there with the holders in place and trying to get all the pieces as a unit to go over the studs . . . .

Without a flanged end on the header pipe, there's nothing for the split collar to press against in order to hold the pipe onto the head.



Perhaps the flange has been removed?

A pic of the clamp at hand may be helpful. To determine whether the clamp is the very common recessed groove style for use with split collars, or it the clamp a plain style without recess (moveable or permanent position) for use without split collars.

Good Fortune!

Patton,no I had it turned around wrong.There is definitely a flange on the other end.

Good Fortune!

I see the flange.I had the header turned around wrong in the picture.You know how 2 of the headers are fixed, and 2 are removeable. This is one of the removeable ones, I was just using it to show the split collar I have.There is a flange on the proper end.Thanks for your help.

All four clamps look very similar, but be sure to notice there's a difference between the outside clamps and the inside clamps.



The fins are slightly relieved to afford better clearance near the frame tubes when positioning the clamps onto the studs.

Also be certain that all the flanged ends of the split collars are nestled fully into all the recessed groves in the clamps.
If the split collars aren't fully seated in the grove, the clamp may break when tightening the nuts.

Remember to use a dab of hi-temp seal to hold the gaskets in position inside the exhaust ports so the gaskets won't keep falling out while attempting to place the headers into the ports.

The split collars may be held in position with masking tape around them.
(The tape will burn off later.)

With the gaskets "glued" inside the ports, and the split collars held in position with masking tape, the headers may be lifted and held in place inside the exhaust ports while positioning the clamps and getting the nuts started.

Don't tighten any of the nuts until all 8 nuts are loosely started. and everything is lined up, and knowing the split collars are fully seated in the clamps.

And when tightening the nuts, "fairly-snug" is usually sufficient, without the Godzilla treatment.
Check for any looseness after riding a few miles.

Good Fortune!