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Cable dimension 02 Apr 2021 10:51 #846006

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I'm planing to make new wire harness and wonder what cable dimension you recommend?

I assume I should use different?

negative to ground/frame?
positive from battery to start relay?
coil cable?
lights?
switches?

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Cable dimension 02 Apr 2021 11:52 #846011

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shop.revivalcycles.com/revival-cycles-deluxe-m-unit-wiring-kit/
Revival uses smaller wire for some things. I tend to use bigger wire.


It varies depending on your loads.
I'm going to rebuild mine as well.
I'll give you a sample of what I have planned so far.
All wire will be TXL except battery cable will be motorsport battery cable

Coil 18awg
Neg ground to frame 6awg
Starter to relay to battery 6awg
My lights have 22awg but I'm running all leds except led headlight is 18awg
All of my switches are 22awg as the m-unit uses ground side switching


If you run a 18awg positive wire to your headlight, run a 18awg ground.
Do that with all of your lights, horns, loads. Make the ground wire the same size as the positive wire.


www.wirebarn.com/Wire-Calculator-_ep_41.html

 
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Cable dimension 02 Apr 2021 14:42 #846017

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Thank you, I have searched for connectors and my summary looks to end up to using deutsch dtm connectors.
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Cable dimension 02 Apr 2021 15:07 #846018

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Yep, same here deutsch dtm.
Don't forget to keep a notebook describing the wiring.
Just in case you sell the bike.
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Cable dimension 02 Apr 2021 23:57 #846026

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Thank you, it will not be done physical before end of the season (these season start next month), so I will use the summer to make the diagram and order parts and then building it in the winter.

Have you consider using mo.button?

motogadget.com/shop/en/m-button.html
 
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Cable dimension 03 Apr 2021 01:12 #846027

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I seriously thought about it, but if the M-button goes bad you are in trouble.
You could lose 6 functions (brake light,headlight,turn signals,starter,horn)

I'm just going to run thin wires through the handlebar.
I have to run around (11) 22awg wires through the handlebar.  If one wire goes bad, I won't lose all of the functions in the handlebar.
If I could trust M-button, it would be amazing. It would eliminate at least 6 wires going back to the m-unit.

Just a note.
The only thing I've had issues with is getting the m-unit wet.
Mount it where it won't get wet. Under the seat should be fine.

For anyone wondering what a M-button is.
It's tiny module that takes 6 switch inputs on your handlebars and transmits all 6 inputs over 1 wire back to the Motogadget m-unit.
You put the tiny module in the handlebar and connect the short module wires to the switches. Then run 1 wire out of the handlebar instead of
6.

photo-motogadget
 

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Cable dimension 03 Apr 2021 10:30 #846046

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M-button:
Intresting... I like the idea saving cables... what is the chance it brake down? The M-unit can also brake down? More safe with old school relays and fuses?

location:
I was thinking locate the m-unit under the side cover, where the exsisting fuses is or other side where the start relay is etc... side cover should be ok also?

M-lock (key-less key):
Have you consider using that?
using the phone or the chip..,

motogadget.com/shop/en/m-lock-rfid-zundschloss.html 

 
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Cable dimension 03 Apr 2021 11:45 #846052

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The m-unit is pretty solid.
Mine is under the side cover right now. I'm going to move it or put a cover to keep it from getting wet.
The M-button uses a low voltage digital signal that is susceptible to electrical interference. You will have to have a resistor in your spark plug cap. Otherwise, it could cause the m button to act weird. You may even run a shielded wire back to the m unit. 
The M unit does not like electrical interference. 
I had solid core wires with no resistor and my phone couldn't communicate with the m-unit when the bike was running. I put a resistor cap on and phone could talk to the m-unit again. 
The M lock is cool, but I don't need it right now. The chip is the same as the m-lock except you can sew it in your glove. 
My phone app unlocks the bike with Bluetooth. 
I get close to the bike. It disarms the alarm and I press the start button twice. It turns on the bike and I press the start button once to start the bike. I don't need the ignition key to start the bike. 
It's basically like a new car with push button start. 

The M-unit is a great device. It has a lot of stuff on it. But the m-button kinda of worries me. 
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Cable dimension 03 Apr 2021 13:40 #846060

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Good points!

the reason I'm consider the M-lock, is my battery is dead on my phone or I have forgot my phone I have a backup to start the bike with the chip...?
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Cable dimension 03 Apr 2021 16:58 #846075

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True,
I just use my key. 
I need the key for the seat and the gas cap anyway. 
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Cable dimension 04 Apr 2021 02:04 #846090

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True true, I also need it to the gas cap, stupid to forgot the key when the gas tank is empty :)

hem... more thinking I was hoping to remove the key on the steeringwheel.
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Cable dimension 04 Apr 2021 11:28 #846120

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You can remove the key.
I just don't have much experience with the M-lock.



I didn't realize you can use the m-lock with anything even though you don't have a M-unit.
You could use it to start your car.


 
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