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Charging system on my '82 KZ1100 A2 04 Apr 2011 14:25 #442579

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Hello, I am fairly new to your site and I would first off like to say thanks to all who post on here and offer so much useful info. Now to my question: I have a '82 KZ1100 A2 and have read everything I can find on here about the charging system and have done all of the tests. I just need some help sorting out the results B4 I go dropping a bunch of money into a part and finding out that wasn't it.
I had the battery tested, it is good. Measured the voltage at the battery with bike running at idle and 4k rpm: 12+v(depends on how long it took to get started) @ idle and same at 4k rpm. Pulled the red plug under the left side cover and tested voltage on the three combinations of yellow wires @ 4k rpm: no voltage present. Measured resistance between each combo: 1-2=.3ohm, 1-3=.6ohm, 2-3=.6ohm (Not sure if this unbalance would be the problem?). Pulled the covers and cleaned the connection and measured the resistance at that point and it was about the same. The rotor seems to have a lot of magnetism (nearly pulls the cover out of your hands when re-installing). I also checked the R/R: and have 7.5, 7.12 and 8.85 ohm between the white/red and each yellow and OL between black and each yellow. Switch the leads and it's just the opposite (I am not sure what the resistance values are supposed to be but I'm assuming this is ok).
I hope I have covered everything and am hoping someone can tell me if it is the stator or rotor.
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Charging system on my '82 KZ1100 A2 04 Apr 2011 16:14 #442613

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Start with this download of the factory manual.
www.kawiworld.com/index.php?option=com_c...;id=77&Itemid=99
Then you can find out the test values. Remember that there are connectors that can be causing high resistance.
Then this will link you into how to test some of the system, with an AMP meter.
kzrider.com/forum/4-electrical/388730-ju...cking-system-current
1982 KZ1000LTD K2 Vance & Hines 4-1 ACCEL COILS Added Vetter fairing & Bags. FOX Racing rear Shocks, Braced Swing-arm, Fork Brace, Progressive Fork Springs RT Gold Emulators, APE Valve Springs, 1166 Big Bore kit, RS34's, GPZ cams.
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Charging system on my '82 KZ1100 A2 06 Apr 2011 16:06 #443015

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A correction on the above stator measurement: I had the meter on the wrong setting. My stator output @ 4k rpm is 4.5vac, 22vac and 22vac so I'm guessing this is where my problem is.

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Charging system on my '82 KZ1100 A2 06 Apr 2011 19:41 #443075

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www.electrosport.com has a good troubleshooting page.

Here's one I made up using my Kawasaki factory shop manual:

Alternator Testing For the Older 4’s(Z1’s,Kz 900’s, Kz1000’s,Kz1100’s and GPz1100’s).

To check to see if the alternator is working you need to follow these simple steps:

1. Fully charge the battery as this will be the power source during this test.

2. Disconnect the Regulator/Rectifier at the plug that has the six wires in it.

3. Start the engine and let it warm to operating temperature.

4. If you're worried about overheating, position a large fan for cooling the engine.

5. After the engine has reached operating temperature, have a helper assist you, and using a multi-meter, read the output at the three yellow wires (or the alternator output wires)at the disconnected connector.

6. Raise the engine speed to 4000 rpm, and see what the three YELLOW wire combinations(or any alternator output wires) are(1-3, 2-3 & 1-2). The output will be around 50 Volts A.C.(Alternating Current). BE CAREFUL, AS THERE IS A SHOCK HAZARD HERE!!

7. If any of the combinations are low or non-existent, the stator(wire windings) are bad and must be replaced.Some of the older Z1’s and KZ900’s were reported to be phase sensitive, so check the wire colors carefully.

8. Using an OHMETER, Check the three wire combinations again, looking for a reading of 0.36 - 0.54 OHMS. If the readings are above or below, the stator may be bad and need replacement. Also check from any of the three YELLOW wires to ground, this will show if arcing took place.

9. Before ordering a new stator, check the connections from the stator as there are electrical "Bullet" connectors that may be damaged or dirty.
Inspect the wiring for signs of shorting or overheating too. www.z1enterprises.com sells replacement rubber grommets for the alternator output wiring, they get hard and could leak oil after a while.

10. Check the wiring coming out of the grommet as there have been situations where the wires were damaged causing a short(I.E. twisted together with insulation damage).

11. The sprocket cover will have to be removed to access the electrical connectors coming from the alternator, the left foot peg assembly and shifting lever will have to come off also.


Alternator Stator Replacement On the Older 4’s
Source for replacement Stators

A. www.electrosport.com (They have a trouble shooting page)
B. www.customrewind.com
C. www.rmstator.com
D. www.ricksmotorsportselectrics.com
E. www.regulatorrectifier.com

1. If by testing either by checking the output voltage from the stator or by using and ohmmeter for resistance and the stator is determined to be bad, replacing the stator is not a difficult job.

2. The motorcycle owner should have on hand a replacement alternator gasket as it will tear on removal and leak if reused.

3. Put the bike on the center stand if possible and lean it to the right to minimize the oil volume that could come out when the alternator cover is removed.

4. Have selection of Metric wrenches and sockets along with Metric Allen keys to be able to accomplish this repair. ¼" and 3/8" ratchets and extensions may be needed along with Allen bits.

5. Remove the gear shift lever, the sprocket cover and possibly the left foot peg assembly.

6. A catch pan for what little oil will be lost should be positioned under the alternator on the left side. Newspapers will soak up any oil lost or some kitty litter will do as an absorbent.

7. Remove the alternator cover fasteners, some bikes use a socket head cap screw(Allen type) and others use the Phillips head type, the #3 screwdriver bit fits best for those. Use a small dish or can to collect the removed fasteners from the parts to prevent loss/damage.

8. The alternator stator is secured to the inside of the cover usually with three Allen headed bolts, Some bikes may have Torx style fasteners, Remove them and disconnect the three yellow wires that have bullet connectors on them from the bundled wires inside the sprocket cover.

9. If your bike has some color other than yellow for the alternator output wires, make note of what goes where as the older Kawasaki’s were phase sensitive in regard to the regulator/rectifiers.

10. When installing the replacement stator, clock or position the output wires and grommet so they fit into the small port under the alternator cover without being pinched or damaged.

11. Tighten the three Allen or Torx fasteners, securing the replacement stator to the cover. I like using the BLUE Loctite # 242 for hardware that can be removed with hand tools.

12. Remove the old gasket from the mating surfaces of the alternator cover and engine case by scraping with a piece of sharpened plastic like Lexan or Plexi-glass as these will not gouge the soft Aluminum Cases. Avoid using a metal gasket scraper for this.

13. Position the alternator cover, checking for pinched wiring and install the fasteners with a little silver anti-seize on the threads, tightening to the correct torque.

14. Connect up the output wires to the mating female bullet connectors and while you’re in there, check the routing of the wire bundle that runs through there.

15. Inspect for signs of heat damage to the wire insulation and vibration damage too.

16. The side stand switch, neutral switch, and oil pressure switch wiring are all bundled with the alternator output wiring running above and behind the engine output sprocket. This bundle runs in a channel as it goes up toward the various electrical connections.

17. The regulator/rectifier plug on the 80’s bikes usually has six wires in it:

A. One (1)WHITE with RED stripe, this is the bikes main power wire usually 12 gauge in size.

B. One(1) smaller Brown wire, probably 18 gauge or so, the voltage sense wire for the regulator/rectifier, helps keeping it from overcharging the battery.

C. One(1) BLACK with YELLOW stripe wire, part of the ground circuits, maybe 16 gauge in size.

D. Three(3) YELLOW wires, maybe 14 gauge in size, the alternator output wires going to the regulator/rectifier which converts the Alternating Current(A.C.) to Direct Current(D.C.) using rectification, producing the power to run the motorcycle and charge the battery.

18. Reinstall the sprocket cover, again checking for pinched wires before tightening. Install the shifter on it’s splined shaft checking for proper location, and the left side foot peg assembly.

19. Except for the minor oil spill and reluctant fasteners, it’s not a very difficult job to do.
1982 GPZ1100 B2
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Charging system on my '82 KZ1100 A2 07 Apr 2011 10:06 #443186

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With 1 leg of your 3 phase stator being so low on voltage I would say this is the problem. Remember that where the wires go through the grommet can be a problem, and the connectors themselves can cause poor contact. Make sure the wiring is OK, maybe the yellow is nearly broken on that leg? Or it could be the winding.
1982 KZ1000LTD K2 Vance & Hines 4-1 ACCEL COILS Added Vetter fairing & Bags. FOX Racing rear Shocks, Braced Swing-arm, Fork Brace, Progressive Fork Springs RT Gold Emulators, APE Valve Springs, 1166 Big Bore kit, RS34's, GPZ cams.
1980 KZ550LTD C1 Stock SOLD Miss it
1979 MAZDA RX7 in the works, 13B...

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Charging system on my '82 KZ1100 A2 15 Apr 2011 17:18 #444785

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Got my new stator yesterday and got it installed. Good voltage coming from the stator now but still no charging voltage at the battery so it looks like I need the rectifier/regulator as well.$$$

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Charging system on my '82 KZ1100 A2 15 Apr 2011 17:41 #444789

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These are taken from the FSM I suggested you download, so you can test properly the regulator etc.


[attachment:2]Regulator Testing.htm[/attachment]





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I have a new one I would be glad to sell u cheap.PM me please if interested.bj

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Charging system on my '82 KZ1100 A2 19 Apr 2011 14:44 #445587

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Get this working?
1982 KZ1000LTD K2 Vance & Hines 4-1 ACCEL COILS Added Vetter fairing & Bags. FOX Racing rear Shocks, Braced Swing-arm, Fork Brace, Progressive Fork Springs RT Gold Emulators, APE Valve Springs, 1166 Big Bore kit, RS34's, GPZ cams.
1980 KZ550LTD C1 Stock SOLD Miss it
1979 MAZDA RX7 in the works, 13B...

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Charging system on my '82 KZ1100 A2 19 Apr 2011 14:59 #445594

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Sorry bj already ordered one. My loss! Thanks though.

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Its just that one of the other fellows just found he had a bad ground, @ the Black/ yellow, Regulator to Chassis. Hope the R/R fixes it for you.
1982 KZ1000LTD K2 Vance & Hines 4-1 ACCEL COILS Added Vetter fairing & Bags. FOX Racing rear Shocks, Braced Swing-arm, Fork Brace, Progressive Fork Springs RT Gold Emulators, APE Valve Springs, 1166 Big Bore kit, RS34's, GPZ cams.
1980 KZ550LTD C1 Stock SOLD Miss it
1979 MAZDA RX7 in the works, 13B...

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Charging system on my '82 KZ1100 A2 19 Apr 2011 18:34 #445654

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I will double check the wiring before I open or install the new part. Just in case. Thanks for the heads-up.

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