no start after new rings - zephyr 550
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no start after new rings - zephyr 550
31 May 2025 15:05
I bought a ZR550 parts bike a while ago, but it was in such good shape that I decided to try saving it. Despite having only 8,700 miles, it didn’t run—so I went for a full overhaul to start fresh.I honed the cylinders, installed new rings, and meticulously refurbished the carburetors using OEM float needles and set the fuel level per the FSM. I also did the usual maintenance: oil change, new battery, etc.Yesterday, I finally got everything back together… and it won’t start.It cranks fine and will occasionally fire up very briefly, but I can’t get it to keep running.
- Valve clearances are all in spec.
- Cam timing is set per the FSM at 1&4 TDC with #1 cam lobes pointing outwards.
- It’s getting spark at all four cylinders.
- Coil wiring is correct (green coil to 2&3, black to 1&4).
- Compression is solid: 124–127 psi across all cylinders.
- Scoped the cylinders—they look good. A bit shiny, probably from all the gas during repeated start attempts.
1990 Zephyr zr550 B1
Wiseco 615cc kit
zx550 cams
SPII ignition system
Kerker stainless steel race exhaust with 1.5" competition baffle
K&N Air Filter...
Wiseco 615cc kit
zx550 cams
SPII ignition system
Kerker stainless steel race exhaust with 1.5" competition baffle
K&N Air Filter...
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Re: no start after new rings - zephyr 550
Yesterday 10:19
Cam timing 180 degrees out? It's easy to do (don't ask how I know).
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Re: no start after new rings - zephyr 550
Yesterday 10:49 - Yesterday 10:55
I mean, anything is possible. I did install them in this orientation at TDC for 1&4, with the #1 lobes pointing out (the pic is from Loudvx's kz550 Amazon page).
One thing I can be confident in is that the engine has compression. I'm seeing spark but maybe the spark timing is out, either because I have the cams installed 180 degrees out, or because there is a fault in the ignition system. I do have an spare ignition system I might try swapping that in. I'm 99% confident the carbs are clean (never say 100%) and it's getting fuel, but it's always possible they aren't. I'm wondering if I can try spraying some starter fluid into the airbox to check that aspect. Or do I remove the airbox and spray directly into the carb throats?
Frustrating but there must be a solution...
Edit: asked about swapping the 1&4 coil and 2&3 coils to address 180 degrees out cams but realized that wouldn't work
One thing I can be confident in is that the engine has compression. I'm seeing spark but maybe the spark timing is out, either because I have the cams installed 180 degrees out, or because there is a fault in the ignition system. I do have an spare ignition system I might try swapping that in. I'm 99% confident the carbs are clean (never say 100%) and it's getting fuel, but it's always possible they aren't. I'm wondering if I can try spraying some starter fluid into the airbox to check that aspect. Or do I remove the airbox and spray directly into the carb throats?
Frustrating but there must be a solution...
Edit: asked about swapping the 1&4 coil and 2&3 coils to address 180 degrees out cams but realized that wouldn't work
1990 Zephyr zr550 B1
Wiseco 615cc kit
zx550 cams
SPII ignition system
Kerker stainless steel race exhaust with 1.5" competition baffle
K&N Air Filter...
Wiseco 615cc kit
zx550 cams
SPII ignition system
Kerker stainless steel race exhaust with 1.5" competition baffle
K&N Air Filter...
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Re: no start after new rings - zephyr 550
Yesterday 11:49Edit: asked about swapping the 1&4 coil and 2&3 coils to address 180 degrees out cams but realized that wouldn't work
Try it.
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Carb O-ring Kits : www.kzrider.com/forum/3-carburetor/61807...-o-ring-kits?start=0
www.kzrider.com/forum/faq-wiki/618026-new-owner-things-to-know
1981 KZ750E2
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/604901...z750e-project-thread
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www.kzrider.com/forum/faq-wiki/618026-new-owner-things-to-know
1981 KZ750E2
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Re: no start after new rings - zephyr 550
Today 08:27
Is it really possible for cams to be 180 out on these bikes given that it’s a wasted spark system? Like 1&4 and 2&3 get spark at the same time, so you’re going to get spark to the cylinder at the compression stroke even if it’s 180 off…
Looking more closely at the spark I noticed it’s yellow/orange. Apparently that’s the sign of a weak ignition system (I didn’t know - people say look for spark, not look for fat blue/white spark). Will dig in there next.
Looking more closely at the spark I noticed it’s yellow/orange. Apparently that’s the sign of a weak ignition system (I didn’t know - people say look for spark, not look for fat blue/white spark). Will dig in there next.
1990 Zephyr zr550 B1
Wiseco 615cc kit
zx550 cams
SPII ignition system
Kerker stainless steel race exhaust with 1.5" competition baffle
K&N Air Filter...
Wiseco 615cc kit
zx550 cams
SPII ignition system
Kerker stainless steel race exhaust with 1.5" competition baffle
K&N Air Filter...
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Re: no start after new rings - zephyr 550
Today 08:32
to be honest I would think if cam timing was more than even a "few teeth" out damage would occur !!
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Re: no start after new rings - zephyr 550
Today 10:54Okay, perhaps we can get some clarification on this sentence.It cranks fine and will occasionally fire up very briefly, but I can’t get it to keep running.
How long is "very briefly"? When it does fire, does it run on all four? Does it backfire?
If it runs at all, I think we can rule out any egregious cam or ignition timing issues. You are correct the spark appears to be weak: check all ground connections and use a known good battery.
Also, try starting it in a dark room to see if the ignition wires are arcing/leaking.
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