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Can't be any louder than a Kerker 4 into 1 with out the baffle.
I remember the Murray pipe in the high perf pages years ago.
I would have bought one then if they were chrome!
I gasped at paying $149 for a new chrome kerker header in 1978 from Hebelers Kawasaki in Pendelton, NY.
BTW they are still in business.

I always though oxygen was the source of power, the more oxygen you can burn the more power you make. A pipe that doesn't flow enough additional air to require rejetting is not, in my mind, a pipe that would dramatically increase power. I don't believe his claims at all...a whole lotta hype with very vague claims from customers....

Can Murray make his pipes out of stainless? And would it clear a monoshock linkage? If so, I may be interested...

Jack wrote:

X2 on Murray pipes, although Dennis doesn't make them anymore, very fine headers and unique sound.

Murray Pipes work great on KZ's. That I can assure you.

The Campbell Pipe was around 25 years ago with the same claims it has today. I never tried one so I can't say one way or the other.

The thing that stands out to me are NO DYNO charts to back up anything. Also, If you've ever looked into exhaust system design formulas, there's no free lunch. Never saw anyone else make a claim that the pipe gave more power everywhere in the RPM range....That's quite a statement to toss out there.

Another puzzler is how the vast majority of people seem to have completely missed the boat and run V&H, Kerker or Murray at the dragstrip....

z1kzonly wrote:

Can't be any louder than a Kerker 4 into 1 with out the baffle.

If measured from behind the bike, that may be true, but the Murray pipe exits directly under your feet, so the rider hears it much more than a megaphone like the Kerker that exits way behind the rider. I had an instant headache when I rode that bike - something that never occured with any of the 4-1's I've run over the years.

porchev914 wrote:

I always though oxygen was the source of power, the more oxygen you can burn the more power you make. A pipe that doesn't flow enough additional air to require rejetting is not, in my mind, a pipe that would dramatically increase power. I don't believe his claims at all...a whole lotta hype with very vague claims from customers....

Can Murray make his pipes out of stainless? And would it clear a monoshock linkage? If so, I may be interested...

My only disagreement with your post is the part about oxygen burning, it don't.

Oxygen is a catalyst that allows other stuff (known as fuel) to burn. Take a oxy/acetylene torch, turn on the oxygen while leaving the acetylene off and try and light it.

Fuel reacts with oxygen to create combustion. Oxygen combines with iron to create iron oxide, AKA rust. Just thought I'd throw that one out there

i never got into an exact price with him because i didn't have a large order.
last time i spoke to him was a little over a year ago.
iirc, it was going to be something like $650 or somewhere around there.
btw, i have also ridden the bike jeff rode that gave him a headache.
it is the one in the picture i posted and it is loud as hell.
he does run it wide open.
hey jeff, think it's loud to ride than try following behind bonz someday.
guess i need to call him again hu?

It "boosts low end by 40%" while adding power throughout the rest of the powerband? That is certainly a remarkable claim. Wouldn't every bike manufacturer be beating this guy's door down for such an easy power boost? Ed

steell wrote:

porchev914 wrote:

I always though oxygen was the source of power, the more oxygen you can burn the more power you make. A pipe that doesn't flow enough additional air to require rejetting is not, in my mind, a pipe that would dramatically increase power. I don't believe his claims at all...a whole lotta hype with very vague claims from customers....

Can Murray make his pipes out of stainless? And would it clear a monoshock linkage? If so, I may be interested...

My only disagreement with your post is the part about oxygen burning, it don't.

Oxygen is a catalyst that allows other stuff (known as fuel) to burn. Take a oxy/acetylene torch, turn on the oxygen while leaving the acetylene off and try and light it.

Fuel reacts with oxygen to create combustion. Oxygen combines with iron to create iron oxide, AKA rust. Just thought I'd throw that one out there [/quotej]

Why would you feel the need to disagree with my poorly phrased statement? Your statement is simply the reverse of my original post. Oxygen without fuel is just as worthless as fuel without oxygen. Turn on that same acetylene torch without oxygen and you get.....nothing. I did not feel a tutorial on the basic dynamics of fuel combustion was required to make the simple statement that the difficulty of making more power is getting more oxygen into the engine. My statement was in context to the thread, referencing an exhaust system, which to the best of ymy knowledge does not introduce extra catalyst, but does have a direct bearing on the oxygen available for combustion. I simply take exception to you using my post to talk to the readers of this tread like we're morons.

I messaged him asking where I could see more pictures because there are only 2 on the ad and they are crappy. Dude has an interesting way of dealing with potential customers I must say!! lol

"Dear x-pipe,

-You have some pretty wild claims, but only one crappy picture that appears to be from the 70s. Any place I can see some more detailed photos?


-Mr. No Name,
Which "wild claims?" Which "one crappy picture?"
Perhaps you would prefer a crappy UFO from the 60s? Sorry, don't sell them.
X

-Dear x-pipe,

Mr. Pipe,

In apologize for not specifying which picture but there is only two and they don't show much detail. I think the main thing I was looking for for is some professional sounding words from you about your product to maybe back up your claims, but all I get is a smart assed answer. The reason I asked was because a bunch of guys on a forum I frequent were considering buying your pipe, but I think once I show them how you responded to me I'm sure they will look elsewhere. Too bad. In todays economy with everyone scrambling for every dollar I'm quite surprised at your response. Being in motorcycle retail myself for some time, I know that if one wants to sell product one needs to address even somewhat cocky questions like mine with professionalism and tact. I guess you missed that sales meeting huh?

Sincerely,

Terry K.

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Dear Mr. Terry K.

Thank you for the ambush. You are the first to try to ambush me in over 30 years of hearing about UFO exhausts (not) - your daddy's exhaust - all the same - all BS.

And what was my sin? I used identical language to yours. Yep, you really got me now.
Boy, I sure wouldn't buy a better exhaust if someone responded with identical verbage to my own.

Thank you for the ambush. Enjoy your little blog. Now, you are the blog big dog.

I'm affraid that your blog friends are probably much smarter than you act.

Hope you enjoy your UFO. No X for you.

Happy sniping.

Dear x-pipe,

lmao, not an act at all, just wanted some simple information. If you can't take a bit of flack, and I do mean a BIT, then maybe you should try hiring someone to deal with the public. What would you do if someone REALLY irate gave you the gears? I hate to think of it!!

Anyhoo, interesting sales technique you have. Hope it all works out for you! Good luck in all your future endeavors!!

Terry K.

Wow.

-Dave

Holy crap, I wouldn't buy from him even if I wanted his product!