Losing 1 cylinder at idle...

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13 Apr 2012 10:34
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Breaker19 wrote: You're still running lean on the pilot circuit, sounds like. What pilot jet numbers are installed? That slow-to-drop idle and sluggish type rise at idle sounds like when the pilot needle is opened too many turns; but if you have to open it 3.5+ turns, that also suggests some intrinsic lean problem. Again, what's those jet numbers? With stock everything, they were 37.5 on my 1100 and that ran perfectly smooth, like a sewing machine at idle.

Pretty sure, the pilot jets were marked 17.5. That's sounds small compared to your 37.5's.

My pilot air screws are set roughly out 1 turn. Started at 1.5 per the manual, ended up with best idle around 1 out for most all the carbs.

It'll drop to idle fine, and won't creep up except for when the bike is warming up. Once warm, it stays where I set it. That same idle setting won't keep it running when the bike is cold so I have to adjust it up until the engine is warm.

This is an 1100 motor? No way they're 17.5 with Mikuni carbs... the rebuild kits come with 37.5 and 40 pilot jets, I stuck with stock 37.5. Heck, the mains are 120's... if you have 17.5 -- which I doubt (it wouldn't idle at all, hardly) -- then there's your lean issue if indeed they're the wrong jets. You need to look at them closely, record the numbers off the pilot and main jets.
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Re: Getting closer...

13 Apr 2012 10:48 - 13 Apr 2012 10:52
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Am thinking oem carbs on the bike shown in LukeMacPU 's signature: '75 Z1B - work in progress .

Mikuni 28 mm manual slide --- 92064-042 PILOT JET,#17.5

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13 Apr 2012 10:58
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This is an 1100 motor? No way they're 17.5 with Mikuni carbs... the rebuild kits come with 37.5 and 40 pilot jets, I stuck with stock 37.5. Heck, the mains are 120's... if you have 17.5 -- which I doubt (it wouldn't idle at all, hardly) -- then there's your lean issue if indeed they're the wrong jets. You need to look at them closely, record the numbers off the pilot and main jets.

Sorry for any confusion, my bike is a '75 Z1-B (903cc). 17.5 is the stock pilot jet.
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13 Apr 2012 16:47
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Breaker19 wrote:
This is an 1100 motor? No way they're 17.5 with Mikuni carbs... the rebuild kits come with 37.5 and 40 pilot jets, I stuck with stock 37.5. Heck, the mains are 120's... if you have 17.5 -- which I doubt (it wouldn't idle at all, hardly) -- then there's your lean issue if indeed they're the wrong jets. You need to look at them closely, record the numbers off the pilot and main jets.

Sorry for any confusion, my bike is a '75 Z1-B (903cc). 17.5 is the stock pilot jet.

No apologies necessary, I am certain the confusion is on my part! lol

But I have to ask... are you absolutely certain 17.5 is the correct sized pilot jet for your application? My apologies, I can't recall if you said whether or not the airbox was stock, etc. And I've been outdoors painting my house today, I'm gettin' kinda too wilted to go back through the posts... lol
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Re: Losing 1 cylinder at idle...

13 Apr 2012 16:54
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Yep, or 2 stroke oil.
The extra large size makes for a more sensitive unit and reduces the need for anti-bobble restrictors and it's easier to see.

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