Need help with engine tuning procedure on KZ1000R2
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29 May 2014 10:40tommyboah wrote: I got it running again now, think it was something do to with the fuel vacuum hose not feeding any fuel. I also checked the spark plugs for spark and managed to electrify myself :woohoo: powerful spark!
For info I got the RS36-D3-K, running 130 on the main jet, P-4 needle jet, 17.5 pilot jet.
Now I got it running ok in idle@500-600RPMs with idle mixture screw at 1 turn out. If I go lower turns on the idle mixture (should mean richer on fuel) it starts to slightly backfire or spit (not sure, it's not a big bang but sounds like a spit but coming from the exhaust i think). When reving in neutral above 1.500RPMs it will lock it self running around 1500-2000RPMs not wanting to fall down again.
i still havent synched the carbs yet, as I am thinking of taking them off and bench synching versus running. Could the carb synch be causing this whole thing?
When putting oil in, I noticed I have overfilled a tad, as I could not read the window inside my garage. I see it better in the sun light. I will take some out with a syringe as soon as it cools down a bit, too hot to remove now.
Any tips for me on the idle not wanting to go down from 1500-2000RPMs?
Just to clarify, I haven't really checked the RPMs that I have written. I believe there might be a multiplying error on the readings, as this can be adjusted on the Acewell Speedo that I am using. I guess the RPMs should proabably be multiplied by two, giving the idle RPMs around 1200RPMs?
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Re: Need help with engine tuning procedure on KZ1000R2
29 May 2014 13:02 - 29 May 2014 13:05
Seems like 1200 rpm is not bad Tommy. Bench syncing the carbs is only to get them the same as a starting point. Vacuum sync is the only true way to have them synced. This way any variation in the performance between cylinders is compensated for by the syncing. But before doing that, I would make sure all your valves have proper clearance. This could be causing some of your popping. Also, the hanging could be due to a leak in the intake boots. You can check for that by spraying starting fluid on them at idle and seeing if the rpm's go up.
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Re: Need help with engine tuning procedure on KZ1000R2
29 May 2014 13:14 - 29 May 2014 13:18
I just got done doing my first carb sync on bike. It wouldn't idle to good. I was around 1200 rpm. I checked all four cylinders first and they were all over the place.
CYLINDER vacuum number from gauge.
1. 8
2. 9
3. 10
4. 12
I was able to sync all 4 carbs to a 9 on the gages. I idles really nice now at 1000 rpm. Maybe yours could use a sync.
CYLINDER vacuum number from gauge.
1. 8
2. 9
3. 10
4. 12
I was able to sync all 4 carbs to a 9 on the gages. I idles really nice now at 1000 rpm. Maybe yours could use a sync.
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Re: Sv: Need help with engine tuning procedure on KZ1000R2
29 May 2014 13:46 - 29 May 2014 13:50tommyboah wrote: I got it running again now, think it was something do to with the fuel vacuum hose not feeding any fuel....
There should never be any fuel inside the vacuum hose between the carb and petcock. The vacuum hose is for vacuum only, and provides the vacuum necessary to operate the vacuum operated petcock.
A racing idle is sometimes caused by an air leak from whatever source, which source might be through a cracked, worn out carb holder, a loose carb clamp, etc.
Would also concur with the suggestions and recommendations offered by 4TheKZ1000.

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29 May 2014 14:30Patton wrote:
There should never be any fuel inside the vacuum hose between the carb and petcock. The vacuum hose is for vacuum only, and provides the vacuum necessary to operate the vacuum operated petcock.
A racing idle is sometimes caused by an air leak from whatever source, which source might be through a cracked, worn out carb holder, a loose carb clamp, etc.
Would also concur with the suggestions and recommendations offered by 4TheKZ1000.
I didn't actually mean that fuel was coming through the vacuum hose, just meant that it wasn't making the fuel flow through the fuel line. Just me expressing myself a little awkward :$
The carb holders are spanking new, so they shouldn't be cracked. I have removed the carbs now to do a bench synch and check the floats. I will make sure to tighten all clamps when installing. Is there any special considerations to take when bolting the carb holders to the intake manifold? Any specific torques to apply or any liquid gasket of any kind needed?
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29 May 2014 14:41I will do the gauge synch after putting the carbs back on after bench synch and float adjustment. Just to be sure, you put the gauges onto the vacuum fitting by removing the cap. I've been reading the manual but it doesn't mention specifically where to put the gauges.4TheKZ1000 wrote: I just got done doing my first carb sync on bike. It wouldn't idle to good. I was around 1200 rpm. I checked all four cylinders first and they were all over the place.
CYLINDER vacuum number from gauge.
1. 8
2. 9
3. 10
4. 12
I was able to sync all 4 carbs to a 9 on the gages. I idles really nice now at 1000 rpm. Maybe yours could use a sync.
I did a quick synch check just after removing the carbs of the bike by probing a wire beneath the slide on the intake side of the carb. Adjusted the idle screw so that the wire barely enters the slide and then probing it into the other carbs. The synch didn't seem too bad, as the wire barely enters all of them evenly. Also eyeballing the opening when letting off the idle makes for very similar openings. How exact is this bench sync method. Is the wire test along with eyeballing it enough?
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Re: Need help with engine tuning procedure on KZ1000R2
29 May 2014 15:13
on engine side of carb rack you will see a rubber nipple with a band clamp on it, this is the vacuum port for your RS36 carbs..
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Re: Need help with engine tuning procedure on KZ1000R2
31 May 2014 13:54 - 31 May 2014 13:59
I had the Mikuni RSs of the bike and check the floats, seemed to be pretty much spot on 17mm, and also the bench synch seemed to be good straight out of the factory. i guess they do bench synch them at the factory before sending them out?
Okay, so I have the bike running, but not good. I thought I'd just check the compression before i started working more on the carbs and I got myself a small surprise. They were all out of whack, reading 117, 97, 80 and 93. F#¤%! :blink:
I thought I had done a good job on the head and all.
My pistons are brand new and have been installed by a machine shop so I figure they should be ok. I will try the oil in the spark hole method to rule out a leak from the pistons.
The valves have also been changed, so there could be a leak there? I thought I did a pretty good job shimming them, but maybe they sink in a bit when breaking in after a valve job, so they don't seal as well now after the engine has been running? does this seem plausible?
Could it be the springs? They have never been changed as far as I know, and now I am running GPZ1100 cams. Maybe they need some stiffer springs?
Any tips on how I should proceed to troubleshoot?
Okay, so I have the bike running, but not good. I thought I'd just check the compression before i started working more on the carbs and I got myself a small surprise. They were all out of whack, reading 117, 97, 80 and 93. F#¤%! :blink:
I thought I had done a good job on the head and all.
My pistons are brand new and have been installed by a machine shop so I figure they should be ok. I will try the oil in the spark hole method to rule out a leak from the pistons.
The valves have also been changed, so there could be a leak there? I thought I did a pretty good job shimming them, but maybe they sink in a bit when breaking in after a valve job, so they don't seal as well now after the engine has been running? does this seem plausible?
Could it be the springs? They have never been changed as far as I know, and now I am running GPZ1100 cams. Maybe they need some stiffer springs?
Any tips on how I should proceed to troubleshoot?
.Tommyboy
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Re: Need help with engine tuning procedure on KZ1000R2
31 May 2014 14:13
You will have to take the head off and put stronger springs in. Sounds like you have the cams in a tooth off
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Re: Need help with engine tuning procedure on KZ1000R2
31 May 2014 15:02
Well that's troubling?
I would do a leak down test and see what you get.
I would shut her down to you get this solved.
good luck
I would do a leak down test and see what you get.
I would shut her down to you get this solved.
good luck
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Re: Need help with engine tuning procedure on KZ1000R2
31 May 2014 16:37
Sounds like your valve timing could be off, I can't imagine with new pistons a machine shop put in you would have bad compression. First, did make sure the throttle was wide open during each cylinder test? Second, make sure it isn't something as simple as a bad compression gauge. I had that happen to me. If the numbers still look bad, then I would do the leak down test as suggested. Best to be armed with the most information before going in again.
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Re: Need help with engine tuning procedure on KZ1000R2
31 May 2014 16:44Have you checked valve clearances since installing head?tommyboah wrote: I had the Mikuni RSs of the bike and check the floats, seemed to be pretty much spot on 17mm, and also the bench synch seemed to be good straight out of the factory. i guess they do bench synch them at the factory before sending them out?
Okay, so I have the bike running, but not good. I thought I'd just check the compression before i started working more on the carbs and I got myself a small surprise. They were all out of whack, reading 117, 97, 80 and 93. F#¤%! :blink:
I thought I had done a good job on the head and all.
My pistons are brand new and have been installed by a machine shop so I figure they should be ok. I will try the oil in the spark hole method to rule out a leak from the pistons.
The valves have also been changed, so there could be a leak there? I thought I did a pretty good job shimming them, but maybe they sink in a bit when breaking in after a valve job, so they don't seal as well now after the engine has been running? does this seem plausible?
Could it be the springs? They have never been changed as far as I know, and now I am running GPZ1100 cams. Maybe they need some stiffer springs?
Any tips on how I should proceed to troubleshoot?

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