Swapping Z1 engine into KZ650 chassis.
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Re: Swapping Z1 engine into KZ650 chassis.
30 Aug 2010 16:18
Oh, what's the advantage to adapting the HEI modules verses using the factory Kawi unit?
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Re: Swapping Z1 engine into KZ650 chassis.
30 Aug 2010 16:32
Far cheaper than buying a good used Kawasaki system,You'll still need the Kawasaki pulsing (pick up) coils for the ignition triggers.Plus you'll get some experiance in doing some wiring on your bike.
Loudhvx's diagram can to the inexperianced be intimidating, but there are a lot of people on this forum to ask for advise.
I researched a cross index for other makers of the modules:
GM HEI Ignition Modules (4 Pin)
AC DELCO
DM1906 or D1906
WELLS
DR 100
ACCEL
ACC 35361/ACC 35367
PERTRONIX
D2000
CAR QUEST
21040
NAPA ECHLIN
ECH TP45
NIEHOFF
DR 400
BORG WARNER
Select CBE4/CBE22
GM
10482820
Mallory
607
Jegs
555-40600
Moroso
97857
Loudhvx's diagram can to the inexperianced be intimidating, but there are a lot of people on this forum to ask for advise.
I researched a cross index for other makers of the modules:
GM HEI Ignition Modules (4 Pin)
AC DELCO
DM1906 or D1906
WELLS
DR 100
ACCEL
ACC 35361/ACC 35367
PERTRONIX
D2000
CAR QUEST
21040
NAPA ECHLIN
ECH TP45
NIEHOFF
DR 400
BORG WARNER
Select CBE4/CBE22
GM
10482820
Mallory
607
Jegs
555-40600
Moroso
97857
1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)
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Re: Swapping Z1 engine into KZ650 chassis.
30 Aug 2010 18:00 - 30 Aug 2010 18:10
kawasakifreak77 wrote:
At low RPM, like when you're kicking it, the HEI igniter will have a shorter dwell than the factory ignition (which is already pretty efficient). The dwell will still be more than long enough to maximize spark, but shorter than the factory ignition. This means there will be less wasted electricity while starting.
When you start the bike, you must charge the capacitor from fully drained to about 10~12v in one kick. This takes energy. By making the ignition efficient as possible, and using no power anywhere else (having lights turned off etc), the capacitor can charge faster and the bike will be easier to start.
The Dyna S pretty much has both coils drawing current continuously (with just enough of a break to cause a spark). While this may be good at 10,000 RPM, it's very wasteful at lower RPMs. The coils only need a short amount of time to charge with current. Any extra time is just wasted electricity and extra heat. The Kaw ignition (with or without HEI igniter) is designed to be efficient while still having enough dwell at 10,000 RPM to ignite a charge.
The reason I use a triggered headlight switch (I use the starter button to turn the lights on) is because the bike will not start at all with the headlight on (and is difficult when any lights are on). I kept forgetting to turn the lights off before starting. Now I have it so it automatically turns off when the motor stops, and only after it starts do I turn it on. You have to give it a little rev when you initially turn the lights on because the light bulbs act like a brief short when you first turn them on. If you turn the lights on with a low idle, it will kill the bike. You just give it a blip and hit the button. Once the lights are lit up, they take far less current.
Thanks again for the cross ref, Mfolks!
Oh, what's the advantage to adapting the HEI modules verses using the factory Kawi unit?
At low RPM, like when you're kicking it, the HEI igniter will have a shorter dwell than the factory ignition (which is already pretty efficient). The dwell will still be more than long enough to maximize spark, but shorter than the factory ignition. This means there will be less wasted electricity while starting.
When you start the bike, you must charge the capacitor from fully drained to about 10~12v in one kick. This takes energy. By making the ignition efficient as possible, and using no power anywhere else (having lights turned off etc), the capacitor can charge faster and the bike will be easier to start.
The Dyna S pretty much has both coils drawing current continuously (with just enough of a break to cause a spark). While this may be good at 10,000 RPM, it's very wasteful at lower RPMs. The coils only need a short amount of time to charge with current. Any extra time is just wasted electricity and extra heat. The Kaw ignition (with or without HEI igniter) is designed to be efficient while still having enough dwell at 10,000 RPM to ignite a charge.
The reason I use a triggered headlight switch (I use the starter button to turn the lights on) is because the bike will not start at all with the headlight on (and is difficult when any lights are on). I kept forgetting to turn the lights off before starting. Now I have it so it automatically turns off when the motor stops, and only after it starts do I turn it on. You have to give it a little rev when you initially turn the lights on because the light bulbs act like a brief short when you first turn them on. If you turn the lights on with a low idle, it will kill the bike. You just give it a blip and hit the button. Once the lights are lit up, they take far less current.
Thanks again for the cross ref, Mfolks!
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Kz550 valve train warning.
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Re: Swapping Z1 engine into KZ650 chassis.
30 Aug 2010 18:49
No problem, I like to help people any way I can!
1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)
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