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Subframe help/ideas wanted 30 Jan 2013 00:51 #569887

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First off do not laugh too hard at my high tech artwork! I want to build a new subframe if that is the correct terminology. Anyhow the backhalf of the frame. I mono shocked the frame and want to build or purchase a tail/seat like this unit.

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In my blueprint(part of it is blue) the larger is stock and the smaller is what I am thinking of doing.
Question 1-How does one address area B after removing that tube?

2- How far down and out does the brace need to be (see red ?)

3- What type of material is used?


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Subframe help/ideas wanted 30 Jan 2013 01:06 #569892

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didnt dutch's z1 have a custom rear sub frame of some sort?
Havent seen him on in a while B)
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Subframe help/ideas wanted 30 Jan 2013 02:16 #569901

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Wayne, have a look at Arnold's Retro Fighter 2.0 build, he deals with the issues at point B in a very cool way and has some subframe ideas too. Look in the projects section.

Good going,

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Subframe help/ideas wanted 30 Jan 2013 12:24 #569947

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wireman is right sander (dutchz)did some real nice subframe work on his bike.



it can be as simple as a triangle,




but the lower support tubes need to be behind your a$$ to properly support you.
if you plan to have a passenger the lower tubes need to be behind the passengers a$$.

the slickest i have seen area "b" capped is by bending tubing to make the radius and then cut a section out of the bent tube and weld it in and blend it out.
like arnold did :) ,










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Subframe help/ideas wanted 30 Jan 2013 13:21 #569950

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Thanks guys! Arnolds stuff is killer. I like the way he handled point B. I could maybe do that if I could source the bends. Thanks for the input on butt placement Leon! Going to be a single seater.

I assume triangulation will be strongest if supporting tubes are at 45 degrees or less?
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Subframe help/ideas wanted 30 Jan 2013 14:11 #569956

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the lower tube is in compression,so it is going to be very strong.

i would use 1" .065 wall thickness 4130 chromoly if it were me (because that is what i use on everyting :) ).
but some nice 1" d.o.m. would be sufficient.

www.shapirosupply.com/index.php?main_pag...45738109aec79fdf8075

i would use the same size tubing top and bottom.

hth,
leon
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Subframe help/ideas wanted 30 Jan 2013 16:00 #569971

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a lil inspiration :) .




leon
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1976 kz 900 x 3
i make what i can,and save the rest!

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Subframe help/ideas wanted 30 Jan 2013 16:22 #569974

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YOWSA :cheer:
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Subframe help/ideas wanted 31 Jan 2013 17:09 #570112

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Nice 750, very well done.
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Subframe help/ideas wanted 31 Jan 2013 18:35 #570131

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