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Re:Reg/ rectifier from kz750 for kz550? 14 Jul 2016 10:52 #734941

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I can't comment about the efficiency of the series SH775 units at low power output levels (low rpm's) but I can say that my bike, with fresh stator and SH775, gets up to voltage easily at low rpm's.

I've spent a good bit of time working on Suzuki GS bikes over the last 10 years and those bikes burn up stators quite easily. I'm not certain but I think their charging systems are more powerful than the typical Kawasaki, so there is more extra current to shunt back, thus the stators are more prone to failure. Many of the aftermarket stators on the market are made to create extra current also. While this may seem like a good thing it's not good in terms of assuring the stator lives a long life.

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Re:Reg/ rectifier from kz750 for kz550? 14 Jul 2016 11:10 #734944

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I have also heard of GS's burning up stators, and sometimes regulators as well, at least more so than Kz's, so it may indeed be that the Gs stators have output that is a little high. If that's the case, a series reg/rec would be the answer.

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Reg/ rectifier from kz750 for kz550? 20 Jul 2016 08:06 #735545

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Quick update - Thanks to your tips, Through process of elimination I believe I am beginning to narrow down possible problems in my bike's electrical and charging system. Some of this is not directly electrical related - and for that I apologize. This is my quest to provide the bare necessities to the old girl (air, fuel, spark and compression) What follows below is my rambling, somewhat coherent findings and questions. Thanks for tuning in.

1) I changed the spark plugs over the weekend and it seemed to make a world of difference in the idle and mid range RPM riding, for a time. 1/4 spark plugs showed signs of running very rich. I have been messing with the main idle adjust screw A LOT, in attempts to get the bike started up. I want to find a good spot for the screw, (RPM idle adjust) and leave it. What RPM range is a good spot to start it at? When I pull to a stop light, what should the RPM's read? Currently I've around 600-900 RPMS at start and ~1500 at stop light.

2) I received a R/R from a 2009 Ninja Ex500 (Credit to Martin CSR) and installed it last night on my bike. Looked like one solid red wire on my bike was matched up with a red/white wire, and a black was matched up with a black / yellow striped. Only difference from original. Same MFG (Shindegen) and part number. (Also, what do the T 8.9, T 8.2 or T 2.4. numbers mean?) I just plugged it in, bolted it on and went for it. I had taken my battery to my local advance auto, to have them charge it for a while. It was at 13.6 when I installed it on the, with the new R/R. Still would not turn over. It cranks, but wouldn't start without me throwing it on my trickle charger in the garage for ~10 minutes. After that, Bike ran alright, not great. Hesitant to start and hold an idle, Seemed to lack acceleration when I finally got on the road. So the battery is good, and the R/R is good, but I am still experiencing a charging issue/ Battery drain.

3) Another couple things I've noticed: "head lamp" idiot light on instrument cluster comes on when I turn the key, but disappears intermittently.
Also, my Headlamp, front turn signals and instrument cluster lights all suffer from dimming when I engage either brakes. This is not surprising, but I'm wondering if these are answers to a question I haven't asked yet?

4) What is the significance of the 6 SCR instead of 6 diode

5) Not electrical, but I finally found a gas station with Ethanol Free 87 Octane gas - I've read that the motor in my bike actually seems to operate better on the lower octane, due to a lower compression ratio. Compared with 91 octane which I've been running as it was the only ethanol free I've been able to find until last night. What experience do you guys have with the octane grades and performance/ reliability/ etc. ??

6) Not sure what my next course of action should be. It idles kinda rough, when I finally get it started. Doesn't seem to perform well. Mechanic took a quick peek and said perhaps there's an intake leak and to replace the carb boots. Makes sense. Are these the airbox hoses from the carbs to airbox? www.z1enterprises.com/product/11015-057-K

Or the carb "holders" ?
www.z1enterprises.com/product/16065-1014X4
www.z1enterprises.com/product/IMK16065-1014X4

How involved of a job is replacing the carb "boots?" If any idiot can do it I'll buy them and do it this weekend.

Also thinking maybe time to replace airbox filter. I'm probably going to replace the fuses soon as well. Somebody mentioned they brake easily from vibrations and should probably all be replaced annually anyhow.

7) I want to say thank you again for everyone's input. It's been a Humbling, frustrating, and really fun/ rewarding experience so far with this bike but I feel I am learning alot - and I have all of you to thank. I know this bike has potential and I'm determined to bring it out.
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Reg/ rectifier from kz750 for kz550? 20 Jul 2016 08:15 #735551

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87 octane should work well in your bike. 91 octane is fine but is a waste of money since your bike doesn't need 91. Ethanol free fuel is good. 10% ethanol is no big issue mind you assuming you are using the bike regularly and don't let the fuel go stagnant in the tank. That's where the ethanol stuff really sucks; it coagulates much faster than 100% gasoline and can cause system corrosion because the ethanol absorbs moisture in the air.

BTW, if your engine turns over slowly that suggests a weak battery. You can't judge a battery's cranking ability by looking at no-load voltage. A load test is needed.
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Reg/ rectifier from kz750 for kz550? 20 Jul 2016 08:20 #735553

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Load test yielded no higher than 12.5 voltage.

Before this, my meter would cycle between .5v and low 12's,

To reiterate - One night I left the key in ignition and lights on after switching off the bike for ~10 minutes. Bike's lights worked but would not turn over, eventually dimming lights. Bike would not pop start either. This is where all my problems have stemmed from. I have not been able to get the bike starting reliably since.

Dude at Advance said battery is strong and should not be the issue (Same battery which was in bike when it died on me) . Battery is two months old, perhaps I just haven't charged it enough/ correctly?
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Reg/ rectifier from kz750 for kz550? 20 Jul 2016 08:31 #735555

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#2. credit goes to Loudhvx as I got the idea from him. :)

#2. a simple load test is to charge the battery, then turn on the headlight hi-beam (engine off) & check the voltage. A good battery will go from 12.6+ to about 12.2 VDC. If it drops a little below 12 VDC, the battery may need replacing. below 11 VDC, the battery is probably shot. Ctek US 0.8 smart charger & VC97 digital multimeter.

#1. Are you using the choke to start the bike? depending upon the ambient temps, you should have to use 1/2 to full choke when the bike is cold & adjust the choke to keep the rpms below 2000 during warmup (1500 seems good to me).
After warmup, it should idle around 1000-1200 rpms. I follow the owner's manual guidelines. the bike should operate within those parameters. or fairly close since it is old.

#5. I think a reason to use higher octane would be to avoid pinging. It may run fine on 87 under most conditions, but there may be times when you hammer the throttle that 91 or 93 would be beneficial. not necessarily so, but possibly.
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Reg/ rectifier from kz750 for kz550? 20 Jul 2016 08:38 #735556

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#2 Thanks Loudhvx!

#2 The battery has read below 11, but not last night. I have a warranty on it - at this point, I should just replace it and get a brand new one to eliminate that variable.

#3 Indeed, always starting on full choke, Petcock on prime and a quick squirt with the throttle. Even after sitting on the trickle charger for ~24 hours, it would not start. This is what led me to bring the battery to advance and get a real charge into it.
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Reg/ rectifier from kz750 for kz550? 20 Jul 2016 08:48 #735561

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I don't think the 550 carburetors have an accelerator pump, so twisting the throttle doesn't squirt any fuel.
When starting a cold bike, you shouldn't have to touch the throttle, but do use the choke.
When it's fully warmed up, you don't use the choke, but open the throttle a tad. unless the om says otherwise. :blush:

ps: see the Starting the Engine section of the owner's manual.

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Re:Reg/ rectifier from kz750 for kz550? 20 Jul 2016 08:54 #735563

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If your "headlight" indicator is on that's not good. It means one of the headlight elements is burned out and the reserve system has been activated. If your headlight bulb is good then the reserve system is malfunctioning. You either need to replace the box or delete it.
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Re:Reg/ rectifier from kz750 for kz550? 20 Jul 2016 09:14 #735567

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Please explain like I'm five.......how could this be related to the electrical problems I'm having?

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Re:Reg/ rectifier from kz750 for kz550? 20 Jul 2016 09:33 #735570

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It may be a contributor or a symptom. It's a box wired into the system designed to maintain headlight illumination if one of the elements burns out by automatically switching to the remaining good element. If that element happens to be the high beam it puts resistance in the circuit so it replicates low beam brightness.

If there is an issue of voltage or resistance in your loom it could be caused by this system or it could be triggering the system.

To bypass you need disconnect and jump the hot wire to the high and low beam wires, blue, blue/orange, blue/yellow respectively on my bike.

I deleted mine because it was causing issues with my aftermarket switches and relays. I removed it, cut off the connector and spliced the 3 wires together then plugged it back into the loom.

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Re:Reg/ rectifier from kz750 for kz550? 20 Jul 2016 09:37 #735571

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Does your high beam still work? Gotta have a high beam, right? My low beam is pitiful.

I should add, I almost exclusively use the high beam, especially at night. Haven't noticed it directly correlated to the "head lamp" light tho.
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