Low compression, oil out the breather. kz900/1000
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Re: Low compression, oil out the breather. kz900/1000
10 Jun 2016 20:36
Ok, here's where I'm at.
Intake valve clearance in mm.
Cyl1. .07
Cyl2. .03*
Cyl3. .10*
Cyl4. .08
Exhaust
Cyl1. .14*
Cyl2. .09
Cyl3. .07
Cyl4. .07
*on the edge or out of spec.
I took my compression tester and removed the Schrader valve which allowed me to pump air into the cylinders. I set the regulator on my air compressor to about 5 pounds and opened up the oil fill cap.
With the valves closed cyl 3 was passing air into the crankcase as I could hear it escaping out the oil fill hole.
There was no noticeable smoke from the exhaust when I rode the bike.
I'll have the head off tomorrow, expecting to see a hole in the piston or broken, worn or misinstalled comp rings.
I better LOVE riding this thing when I'm done, lol.
Intake valve clearance in mm.
Cyl1. .07
Cyl2. .03*
Cyl3. .10*
Cyl4. .08
Exhaust
Cyl1. .14*
Cyl2. .09
Cyl3. .07
Cyl4. .07
*on the edge or out of spec.
I took my compression tester and removed the Schrader valve which allowed me to pump air into the cylinders. I set the regulator on my air compressor to about 5 pounds and opened up the oil fill cap.
With the valves closed cyl 3 was passing air into the crankcase as I could hear it escaping out the oil fill hole.
There was no noticeable smoke from the exhaust when I rode the bike.
I'll have the head off tomorrow, expecting to see a hole in the piston or broken, worn or misinstalled comp rings.
I better LOVE riding this thing when I'm done, lol.
Shelbyville, Indiana. '80 KZ1000
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Re: Low compression, oil out the breather. kz900/1000
10 Jun 2016 20:38
You will.
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Re: Low compression, oil out the breather. kz900/1000
10 Jun 2016 23:06
Well I stayed up way too late, the head is off.
No major scoring, no obvious answers yet.
Bedtime for me!
No major scoring, no obvious answers yet.
Bedtime for me!
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Re: Low compression, oil out the breather. kz900/1000
11 Jun 2016 01:30
Did you do dry compression test?
Wet test would increase compression of bad rings.
Turn head upside down and fill combustion chambers with ATF. You'll see valve leaks after 20 min.
Same test can be done in cylinders if you didn't remove cyl. block yet.
2-5 table spoons of ATF for each cylinder
Wet test would increase compression of bad rings.
Turn head upside down and fill combustion chambers with ATF. You'll see valve leaks after 20 min.
Same test can be done in cylinders if you didn't remove cyl. block yet.
2-5 table spoons of ATF for each cylinder
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Re: Low compression, oil out the breather. kz900/1000
11 Jun 2016 05:46
Fill the intake ports with diesel fuel to check leakage then the exhaust ports. Those are high compression pistons. I suspect 12/1. Can you measure the bores? Pics of the head and bores? May have kissed the valves because the clearance wasn't checked.
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Re: Low compression, oil out the breather. kz900/1000
11 Jun 2016 06:04 - 11 Jun 2016 07:31
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Re: Low compression, oil out the breather. kz900/1000
11 Jun 2016 06:32
Car car was talking about letting atf sit in the chamber of the heads off the bike while it's apart.
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Re: Low compression, oil out the breather. kz900/1000
11 Jun 2016 06:45
I'll post more pictures tonight when I get the cyl block off and get a chance to measure the pistons and look at the rings.
with the head upside down on the bench with the cams removed I filled the chambers with atf before I left for work, I'll have my wife send me a picture in a bit to see if any or all has leaked out past the valves.
Only one of the damn valve shims still had any size marked on it, so I'll need to measure them and do some math.
Got plenty of things to do after work.
with the head upside down on the bench with the cams removed I filled the chambers with atf before I left for work, I'll have my wife send me a picture in a bit to see if any or all has leaked out past the valves.
Only one of the damn valve shims still had any size marked on it, so I'll need to measure them and do some math.
Got plenty of things to do after work.
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Re: Low compression, oil out the breather. kz900/1000
11 Jun 2016 06:48
Looks like a big bore kit has been installed. I wonder what other goodies are in it?
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Re: Low compression, oil out the breather. kz900/1000
11 Jun 2016 07:24 - 11 Jun 2016 07:25
I know it has at least 1000 pistons in it because of the kz1000 cylinder block, outside of that I have no idea.
That's one helluva dome on those pistons! (keep in mind this is first kz engine I've ever had apart).
The cams looked like it was in decent shape and didn't look to me to be any crazy hop up parts but I've not measured anything yet.
Also i read you could identify the head year by looking at the cam guide chan holder so I'll attach a pic of it as well.
That's one helluva dome on those pistons! (keep in mind this is first kz engine I've ever had apart).
The cams looked like it was in decent shape and didn't look to me to be any crazy hop up parts but I've not measured anything yet.
Also i read you could identify the head year by looking at the cam guide chan holder so I'll attach a pic of it as well.
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Re: Low compression, oil out the breather. kz900/1000
11 Jun 2016 07:33
These are the cast 10.25/1 pistons.
The 1015 billet piston is in the center. Stock is on the right.
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The 1015 billet piston is in the center. Stock is on the right.
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Re: Low compression, oil out the breather. kz900/1000
11 Jun 2016 17:44
Well here's the problem (or one of them)
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