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1975 Z1 900 20amp fuse blowes imediately 18 May 2015 06:57 #672599

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If you follow the white wire output of the fuse in the diagram above, it goes two places; the rectifier and ignition switch. Assuming your ignition switch is good, battery is open with the key in the off position. The problem is not with any of the switched (basically anything with a light bulb) circuits. I'd start by unplugging the bullet style connector at the rectifier.

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1975 Z1 900 20amp fuse blowes imediately 18 May 2015 07:05 #672601

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great idea, I have not tried that yet, im going to try that right now. Thank you

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1975 Z1 900 20amp fuse blowes imediately 24 May 2015 04:21 #673443

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I did find a short in that wiring, thank you; does the 75 Z1B 900 not have a chain oil container?

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1975 Z1 900 20amp fuse blowes imediately 24 May 2015 04:23 #673444

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The rectifier was bad, I replaced it with a rectifier/regulator all in one and the bike fired up for the first time in 19 years. Thank you, great idea. also found a short in the rear fender

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1975 Z1 900 20amp fuse blowes imediately 24 May 2015 06:47 #673458

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The Z1b did NOT have a chain oilier and the fuse was a 20 AMP. After the wreck, I combined my Z1 and a KZ900 wiring loom so I would have the fuse block in hopes of curing the hot running problem. No good. All the juice still has to go through the main fuse. 40 year old wiring, some I replaced, old contacts in the Ign. switch and controls create heat. The wires themselves build up resistance with age and being hot. I have installed relays for the coils and horn. (it helped) I will install one for all my running lights but eventually I need to get a new loom.
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1975 Z1 900 20amp fuse blowes imediately 25 May 2015 07:57 #673619

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sounds good, I will replace the chain today and invest in a new wiring harness, I found a main wiring harness for $100. thanks for the advice,This restoration is going to take a bit.

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1975 Z1 900 20amp fuse blowes imediately 25 May 2015 08:08 #673622

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Do this for a reliable electrical system:

Cleaning Motorcycle Electrics

Get some of the De-Oxit electrical contact cleaner and figure on spending a good day going from the front of the bike to the back. It’s a plastic safe cleaner/preservative. www.deoxit.com is their website.

On the older Kawasaki's, a majority of electrical connectors are inside the headlight housing requiring removal of the headlight, then the fun begins.

Do one set of electrical connectors at a time to avoid mixing up what connects to where. Usually disconnecting, spraying with De-Oxit and reconnecting is about all you'll need.

However, when encountering the green crud of corrosion, a brass wire brush may be needed on the pins you can reach.
Some 400-600 grit wet and dry sandpaper strips rolled into a tube should reach the male and female pins in the more difficult to clean connectors.

Smoker’s pipe cleaners, cotton swabs and wooden toothpicks work as cleaning aids.Really small electrical connectors may require the use of a welders tip cleaning tool assortment.

Most pins in the connectors are coated with a thin plating of tin, and others may be nothing more than copper or brass.
If moisture is added, the resulting corrosion lowers the voltage/current being carried causing dim lights, slow engine cranking, slow turn signal response and lower input voltage to the ignition coils resulting in weak spark.

The left and right handlebar switch pods will need attention too as they have circuit functions like turn, horn, run/stop, and start.

Usually a spritz or two with actuation of the switch is about all needed for these switches unless corrosion is detected and then careful disassembly is required.

The ignition switch may or may be not sealed to allow spraying the internal contacts. I urge caution if attempting to open this up as springs, and ball bearings may fly out never to be seen again!

If your bike has the older style glass tubed fuses, I suggest replacing them as vibration can cause internal failure. AGX is the type used, and most auto parts stores can get them for you.

Clean the fuse holder clips, looking for signs of overheating(discolored insulation, signs of melting).
I use metal polish on a cotton swab, followed by spraying another clean swab with the De-Oxit and then rubbing the inside of the fuse clip.

All battery cables must be clean and tight for maximum current transfer. Check the cables going from the Negative(-) battery terminal/post to the engine mounting bolt Also the one going from the Positive(+) terminal to the starter solenoid and from there to the starter motor.

If any battery cable feels ”Crunchy” when flexed, replace it as possible corrosion is inside the insulation.

Each "Bullet Connector" will have to be sprayed to ensure good connectivity, especially the ones going to the energizing coil of the starter solenoid.

The alternator output “Bullet Connectors” are usually behind the engine sprocket cover and will need inspecting and cleaning too.

The turn signal light sockets will benefit from a spritz from the contact cleaner along with the tail light/brake light socket.

Some brake light switches can be sprayed on the actuating rod, with the spray running down inside to the electrical contacts, others may be sealed requiring replacement if the switch is intermittent in operation.

Some people put the Di-Electric Grease on cleaned terminations/connectors, I don’t, as I’ve read/heard it can cause problems when it gets hot, actually insulating the connections, so the choice is yours to use or not.

Using WD-40?
Bad idea! WD40 is a bad thing to use on wires, contacts, etc.! More than one person on this site has suffered the effects of using it that way. Use Deoxit or some other contact cleaner to clean that WD40 off anything electrical before that WD40 crap sets up and becomes an insulator.

As a matter of fact dielectric grease isn't a great idea either. Dielectric is essentially an insulator for the purposes of conducting electricity. I've spent many hours cleaning dielectric grease out of connections. It heats up, liquefies, then gets wicked into contacts. The contact area that actually carries current then is reduced and heats up more.

Just got done replacing headlight connectors on a Civic. They were full of grease (that looked cooked), and the bulbs were dim. Only chopping off the connectors and replacing them got the bulbs back to full brightness

I think I've covered about all of the electrical systems on the bike.........


“I spent a weekend going through every electrical connection and switch on the bike with a little scotchbrite pad and DeOxit - what a difference! Everything was brighter, gauge backlights, indicator lights, turn signals, I was getting a nicer spark, it fired up quicker, etc. Well worth my time. WELL worth it! “
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Re: Cleaning the many and various Motorcycle electrics.
I used the De-oxit D-5 spray on all the electrical connections of my 78 Kz1000 that had sat for twenty years .

When I parked the bike in 92 I was starting to have troubles with some of the electrical system, but after pulling everything apart and giving it a spray , reconnecting the connectors and working them back and forth a few times, then gave them another shot of spray to wash them off before the final reconnection.

Everything still works perfectly and has for over 7000 miles this year.

I am extremely happy with the results , a lot of the connectors were green when I started and after the cleaning they looked new ( shiny gold )

I found the Deoxit D-series, D-5 spray in a 4 oz can at a big electronics store called Frys in Illinois, don't get the small cans at Radio Shack , they are different and meant for computer type stuff.

store.caig.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.188/.f


Recommendations:
Excellent contact cleaner from audio to ac power contacts
I've been an A/V Tech-Roadie for over 30 years and have used Deoxit since it was first introduced. I've cleaned /rejuvenated volume controls,switches and audio connections on everything from guitar amps to full blown recording consoles. It not only cleans mild to excessive corrosion but the lubricant keeps the part in good working order months afterwards. Much easier than replacing a hard to replace part. I also spray it on all the audio connectors periodically to insure good connectivity. Along with my A.C. power plugs and quad boxes that are used outside for live shows to prevent corrosion from the elements.
Good stuff. Obviously highly recommended.


Great Stuff
I used this stuff on my 35 year old Kenwood KA-7300 amp which had not been used in more than 10 years and it was fantastic. When I first tried to use the amp, all of the switches only worked sometimes and the static and intermittent sound was unbearable. I thought that my left channel was not working because it had such a low output compared to the right channel no matter where the balance was set. After cleaning all the input/ and output jacks and the switches along with vacuuming out the inside of the amp, the amp works great and sounds like it did back in the day! I was more than pleasantly surprised!!

I've used DeoxIT for years. My first use was on a BMW instrument cluster that an $800 "reno" hadn't fixed. I sprayed the several connectors and mates, dozens and dozens of connectors, let it sit overnight and reinstalled it in the car. That cured every problem. Years after manufacture one or more of those connections could get iffy, and they do. Since then I've fixed several instrument clusters, engine and transmission computer problems caused by the same thing, connections, and no telling how many other electrical connection problems in cars.

An Effective cleaner-rejuvinator!
I used this to clean the pots, switches, and faders on my old Allen & Heath SR416 mixer. Everything is working top-notch again and everything moves/slides with ease. DeoxIT is a great product and it always improves sound quality and equipment life. This is the only cleaner you need!


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Pull the handle bar controls apart and wash out the contacts with De-Oxit, My horn didn't work for quite a while or was crazy anemic.... then I shot the control with De-Oxit and it works and sounds like new.
Actually I did both left and right control assemblies like this and they all work like new again.

Trust MFolks , the guy's a true rocket scientist and really knows what he's talking about.
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1975 Z1 900 20amp fuse blowes imediately 25 May 2015 08:24 #673624

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If you can get a NOS or remanufactured main loom for $100 you are laughing, if it is an old used loom you might just be better tracing the fault. Also plugging a new loom into old sublooms : RH switches, LH switches, instrument lights, tail loom, RR/oil/neutral loom, ignition switch etc... might not solve your problem.

There is a company in UK who will make a one-off main loom for £300, or £250 for more than one. (for an 1100R) They lay it out on a pin board and replicate everything with new wire and connectors. If I went down this route I'd ask them to add an inch on all connector tails, the extra inch would allow for remaking the subloom connectors.

I'd get a meter across your ignition switch first, they can deteriorate and build up high resistance.
My problem was traced to a defective old ignition switch with a crazy 300 Ohms resistance.

Electrics is the most common cause of breakdowns, do it right an it gives peace of mind plus on- the- button starting and noticeably brighter lights everywhere.
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1975 Z1 900 20amp fuse blowes imediately 25 May 2015 09:33 #673632

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Here's a repair procedure for the failed or failing solder connections:

Repairing Motorcycle Soldered Connections

When repairing soldered wires on motorcycle switches or light bulbs sockets, have the following on hand:

1. A 25 Watt soldering iron or one that the wattage can be adjusted.

2. Rosin core solder.

3. Rosin flux or soldering paste (Never use solder or soldering paste designed for plumbing work, as it contains an acid that will corrode the electrical joint, ruining it).

4. 91% rubbing Alcohol.

5. A cut down ½” paint brush, or acid brush for scrubbing the repaired solder joint.

6. Clean rags or paper towels

7. A damp sponge to keep the soldering iron tip clean.

8. Some “Solder Wick” a braided bare copper wire designed to collect heated excess solder, aiding in joint preperation.

9. Some wooden toothpicks.

10. Small Hemostats or clip on heatsinks.

Before soldering, “Tin” the soldering iron tip by plugging it in or turning the iron on, allowing it to get to operating temperature(2-3 minutes).



Unroll about 3” of solder from the roll of rosin core solder & then using a clean rag or paper towel, wipe the unrolled solder, removing the finger print oils that will create a poor solder joint.

Apply a small amount of solder to the now heated soldering iron tip, wiping the excess off with the wet sponge, keeping a thin layer on the soldering iron.

The soldering iron is now ready for use, but before applying the heated tip to a wire, wipe the tip on the damp sponge, this removes any oxidized solder and makes for a much better connection.

If the joint to be repaired is grey in color or appears “Crumbled”, apply some rosin soldering paste or flux to the joint with a small toothpick of screwdriver, and then apply the soldering iron tip for a few seconds.

The fluxed joint should clean up, allowing for a better connection. If no luck, use the solder wick to remove all traces of the old solder by apply in it between the soldering iron tip and the bad joint.

Hemostats and clip on heatsinks will be used to prevent the wire insulation from burning, overheating & pulling away from the connection.

Apply a small amount of flux to the joint to be repaired & then a very small duration of heated soldering iron tip & solder.


Clean off the repaired joint with the brush & rubbing Alcohol, the newly repaired joint should appear clean and bright, almost as if it were polished, with no voids or holes.
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1975 Z1 900 20amp fuse blowes imediately 26 May 2015 10:05 #673845

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The aftermarket Z1 harnesses are pretty good and are under $200. About the chain oiler, in '75 the Z1 got a o-ring chain, so no oiler anymore. There's a spacer behind the sprockets to allow for the wider chain.
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1975 Z1 900 20amp fuse blowes imediately 26 May 2015 13:46 #673876

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great post, a lot of good info. I want to do this right, I got the electric contact cleaner and now I am looking for the other type of fuse box you recogmended. makes sense with all the vibration. What gauge of wiring should I use for rewiring?

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1975 Z1 900 20amp fuse blowes imediately 26 May 2015 13:47 #673877

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I guess when you all refer to "loom" that is the wiring harness itself?

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