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[*] posted on 18-4-2005 at 16:18
installing a vance & hines 4 into 1



I just ordered a new V&H 4 into 1 system to replace my current ailing stock system.

Forgetting the carbs for a minute, is there anything I need to do the exhaust swap? New exhaust gaskets? I didn't see any info on exactly what comes with the kit from any of the places I priced it at. I ordered from BikeBandit.com.

Anyway I see exhaust gaskets for these bikes on ebay all the time so I could pick some up cheap but just didn't know if I needed them yet or not.

Thanks,
Blake

[Edited on 19-4-2005 by Blake_ae]




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[*] posted on 18-4-2005 at 16:20


OK, Check out z1 enterprises he has the copper rings you need.

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mad.gif posted on 18-4-2005 at 16:21


yeah yeah... I posted too soon! Please reread, its edited.

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[*] posted on 18-4-2005 at 16:44


Anyone know if Blake will be able to stick with his stock jetting or will he need new jets?



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[*] posted on 18-4-2005 at 17:24


only if the wants the pipes to stay chrome instead of blue



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[*] posted on 18-4-2005 at 17:31


Ahh... dry wit I understand well.
:cool:

I found this:

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Try a size 110 or 112.5 main jet. worked good on my 650 with a Vance and Hines. Also check your needle heigth. Stock setting was middle notch, so raise the needle at least one notch.
Good luck, Mellvis
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Guess maybe we should start with a 110 main. Sound about right to everyone else with experience in this sort of thing?

Also - gaskets? Ah hell... guess I'll ask Clymer. It's lacking the humour I get from you guys but usually has pretty good answers as well. ;)

[Edited on 19-4-2005 by Blake_ae]




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[*] posted on 18-4-2005 at 18:09


Check out this thread as well. Has some info on different carb jet sizes: [url]http://kzrider.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=18321[/url].



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[*] posted on 18-4-2005 at 18:14


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If your system is chrome, spray a couple coats of high heat paint down the headers pipes.
this will help from bluing pipes till ya get the jetting right.

Congrats on the new system.




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[*] posted on 18-4-2005 at 18:15


Clymer won't give you any tips on gaskets, but you should use new ones each time you remove the exhaust. They are like giant crush washers and are really only good for one use.

Z-doctor recommended stacking up two old ones and that works pretty good too.




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[*] posted on 18-4-2005 at 18:29


Ok... new exhaust gaskets make sense. Rstnick also mentioned I'll probably need float bowl gaskets for the carbs.

Anything else?




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[*] posted on 18-4-2005 at 19:12


Blake;
I hope you come out better than I did with Bikebandit / V&H the one I recieved had 7 half moons of one size and one of a different size

the #3 pipe flange was to large to fit thru my ex keepers so I had to file/grind it down enough to fit:mad:

Jeff@Z1 sells the ex and float bowl gaskets and is one of the good guys to deal with.

makes me think Bikebandit is selling joblot(seconds) V&H headers.

that could be the reason they are so cheap:cool:

on the jeting issue are you using pods or the airbox?

if its the airbox 1 main jet size up ,1 notch on the needles and it depends on what your carbs control for the idle mixture (air or gas) witch way you go there.

Jeff also has the emgo pods at a real good price (they come in handy as rejeting with the airbox is a nightmare)




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[*] posted on 19-4-2005 at 02:45


Excellent, thanks Craig! I considered emailing Jeff for the V&H as well but it was $30 more and I felt like an arse asking him to come down that much. Thats a $50 CAN difference...

Anyway, I'll get on him for gaskets and what not and consider pods although from all I've read I'd rather keep the air box.

Guess I'll hope to get lucky with the jetting. She runs rich now anyway so maybe it'll just be a matter of one size up and a good cleaning!




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[*] posted on 19-4-2005 at 08:46
Jeff scores again!



Well I learned my lesson.

Cancelled the order through BikeBandit and ordered from Jeff anyway. He spent a half hour on the phone chatting with me, lots of info...

Ordered the V&H system and he discussed the very same packing problem that you mentioned, Craig. He unpacks and inspects it first, then repacks - better - before shipping.

Also ordered the exhaust gaskets, carb gaskets, and got more info regarding jetting.

Like everyone else says... order from Z1 Enterprises. Can't go wrong.

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[*] posted on 19-4-2005 at 14:30


There's an interesting aside to all of this - currently, there is some (legal) action going on between V&H and places like Bikebandit.

V&H mandates dealers must not advertize pipe prices below the V&H list price - the letter we received in December from V&H restated very clearly the V&H policy - especially the part about they will terminate dealer status if you don't comply. Well.... many of us did comply - but some of these other companies chose to ignore the V&H mandate - and now V&H has initiated action against places like Bikebandit.

It will be very interesting to see where all this goes...

Also related to this - for the folks north of the border and in Europe, you MUST make sure when ordering from a business in the USA that UPS & Fedex are NOT used to ship internationally - not only are the shipping fees very high to Europe (not the case to Canada), but the broker fees associated with getting a UPS or Fedex shipment through customs will eat you alive - often $40-$60 or more on relatively small value packages ($50-$300)... staggering amounts.

Craig - I doubt if pipes bikebandit sells are seconds - I think they just buy in large enough amounts they get very good pricing from V&H (or at least they did...). we could get a better price from V&H if we ordered 50 pipes at a time - but currently that's more than we sell in a year.

[Edited on 19-4-2005 by Jeff.Saunders]




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